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Fo the Communist
7:10 Fri May 5
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Surf - this all started because you pulled up Zeb for saying Britain has un unwritten constitution. You said it was not an unwritten constitution but a uncodified one. I said in this context, they were essentially the same thing
The use of the speech marks in the UCL passage you yourself quote (ie 'unwritten') makes the same point.
'Unwritten constitution' does not literally mean a constitution based on elements that are not committed to paper it means they have not been brought together in one (uncodified) document. I think we agree this so I am at a loss to understand why you took such issue with my original - and correct - point.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
7:03 Fri May 5
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I'm not an opponent of the Oxford comma in general, but that particular one is an abomination.
Also, I'd not have been averse to a colon after 'including'.
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Hammer and Pickle
6:49 Fri May 5
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"the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom recognises that there are constitutional principles, including parliamentary sovereignty, the rule of law, democracy, and upholding international law."
Tell you what, the Oxford comma rides ROUGHSHOD over all constitutional principles. it is as uncouth as using electricity to fish salmon.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
6:34 Fri May 5
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comma
That's nearly right. But the 'unwritten' bits aren't actually 'unwritten'. See the last line of the UCL thing.
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6:28 Fri May 5
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The constitution of the United Kingdom or British constitution comprises the written and unwritten arrangements that establish the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland as a political body. Unlike in most countries, no attempt has been made to codify such arrangements into a single document, thus it is known as an uncodified constitution. This enables the constitution to be easily changed as no provisions are formally entrenched;[2] the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom recognises that there are constitutional principles, including parliamentary sovereignty, the rule of law, democracy, and upholding international law.[3]
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
6:14 Fri May 5
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UCL go on to say:
'This is the reason why the UK has not felt the need to codify its constitution. But the UK does have a constitution, to be found in leading statutes, conventions, judicial decisions, and treaties. Examples of constitutional statutes include the Bill of Rights 1689, Acts of Union 1707 and 1800, Act of Settlement 1701, Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, Human Rights Act 1998, Scotland Act, Northern Ireland Act and Government of Wales Act 1998. Examples of conventions include that the monarch acts on ministerial advice; that the Prime Minister sits in the House of Commons; that the Queen appoints as Prime Minister the person most likely to command the confidence of the House of Commons.
These and other conventions have themselves been codified in documents such as the Cabinet Manual'
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/constitution-unit/explainers/what-uk-constitution
Almost word for word what I posted.
Probably best not to have an argument with someone who actually knows exactly what they are talking about, rather than scrambling desperately around Google looking for a plausible-sounding idiot to quote.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
6:10 Fri May 5
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Fo the Communist 2:47 Fri May 5
Yeah, mate. It's a common misconception. They really should know better, being the British Library and all.
UCL has it more accurately:
'The UK is often said to have an ‘unwritten’ constitution. This is not strictly correct.'
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Steady
2:53 Fri May 5
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Liverpool will play the national anthem before their match, that’ll go down well with fans who are on a par with Celtic
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Fo the Communist
2:47 Fri May 5
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 1:04 Thu May 4
Nice try, mate.
You can obfuscate with faux irascibility but you are plain wrong and in plain view too.
Don't take my word for it, here's the British Library:
"Unlike most modern states, Britain does not have a codified constitution but an unwritten one formed of Acts of Parliament, court judgments and conventions."
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Manuel
2:10 Fri May 5
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bruuuno 10:31 Wed May 3
collyrob 1:03 Wed May 3
''Says the man who is getting a garden bar''
Hahaha!!
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bruuuno
1:32 Fri May 5
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Anyone going up town tomorrow? Not sure where to head..
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BRANDED
1:25 Fri May 5
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David Dimbleby, who is attending the Coronation, said he feels there may have been a miscommunication because it is "so different from the king that I know".
Asked what the King thinks of the idea, he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that he did not know "for certain", but added: "I can think of nothing that he would find more abhorrent.
"He's never wanted to be revered. He's never wanted, so far as I know, to have anyone pay homage to him except in mock terms as a joke.
"He wants, I think, to feel that people will share in the event."
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gonks go beat
1:01 Fri May 5
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His brother is a known perv and mate of Epstein. Jimmy Saville was a genuinely close friend and mentor who he considered making godfather to his children. He was friends with defrocked child abuser bishop Peter Ball.
That's just the stuff we know about. I won't be celebrating his 'coronation'.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
1:04 Thu May 4
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Fo the Communist 1:30 Wed May 3
'In this case, unwritten and uncodified both mean a constitution that doesn't sit within in a single document'
No, mate. They are entirely different. But I see you have your own private definitions of both 'unwritten' and 'uncodified'. I'll leave you to wallow in your own ignorance.
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bruuuno
10:31 Wed May 3
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collyrob 1:03 Wed May 3
Says the man who is getting a garden bar
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PwoperNaughtyButNot
5:02 Wed May 3
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Scum they are not my workings.
I’m not claiming it will make £8bn
You can’t make £8bn you can only take £8bn and I don’t think there will be enough pints and burgers sold on one day in England to take £8bn from the poor public into the hands of the supermarkets and pubs
I’d love to see the actual workings of these claims though so feel free to share
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BRANDED
4:59 Wed May 3
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“I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.”
Don’t they realise we’re British? We leave that kind of guff to the Americans. Anyway, what’s wrong with a cheery, “God save the King!”?
The only kind of oath punters in the nation’s saloon bars are likely to utter during the Coronation will be of the four-letter variety on account of being asked to do something so naff.
Talk about a gift to Republicans. Imagine the joy at Channel 4 when they realised they could show footage of viewers staring silently at the screen, cringeing inwardly, while running the helpful caption: “People snub new monarch.”
Perhaps the idea appealed to His Majesty because scrapping the Homage of Peers, when the royal dukes used to bend the knee and pledge fealty to their sovereign, somehow feels more “inclusive” and modern if you let everyone participate. Unsurprisingly, an online poll for ITV’s Good Morning Britain found that 85 per cent of the population’s reaction was a firm, “Include me out”.
Telegraph
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Council Scum
4:45 Wed May 3
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"Thanks. I thought it was because it is an unquantifiable figure made up by media economists to make us all believe there will be a major bump to the economy. Which there won’t be."
Feel free to show me your workings.
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Far Cough
4:14 Wed May 3
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Side of Ham 3:31 Wed May 3
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The Sussex's won't want nothing to do with the King of Snivelling Svender son.....
ag ag ag
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swindon hammer
3:54 Wed May 3
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Yeah fair play to Nick Cave. That was beautifully written.
I’m not a Royalist either but through the good and bad The monarchy is built into the foundation and identity of this country and we are one of the most well known and visited countries in the world because of this.
Events like the Jubilee, Royal weddings and the Coronation are aired live all over the world. How many other countries can claim that sort of media coverage on such a wide scale for their own national events?
I personally won’t be swearing any kind of allegiance to Charles and probably won’t even watch it but if others want to do it then good luck to them.
As for the Republicans/Left wingers, go and complain about something else. If you don’t like it then just don’t watch it.
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Side of Ham
3:31 Wed May 3
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The Sussex's won't want nothing to do with the King of Snivelling Svender son.....
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